here's his reply to me:

Biblical Preaching is the Answer, NOT Christian Music!
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The Word of God states that God chose the foolishness of PREACHING to reach the lost world with the Gospel... "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe" (1st Corinthians 1:21). The Apostle Paul states in Titus 1:2 that God "...manifested his word through preaching..." What we need today is Biblical preaching--NOT worldly entertainers who pose as Christians, or Christians who pose as worldly entertainers. It's a sin that young people today are being led into a FALSE Christianity that bares no cross, has no concern for modesty, and fits in with the sinful world. Jesus plainly stated in Luke 16:31, "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." If the youth of today refuse to listen and obey the Word of God, then NOTHING else is going to persuade them. So-called "Christian" rock, rap, and hip-hop only attract worldly youths to worldly music, not Christ.
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None of Jesus' Apostles had a musical ministry. The whole idea of prerecorded music goes contrary to the Bible's directive to sing psalms and hymns in our heart to the Lord. When you listen to the Hip Hop gods doing their thang, they're singing TO YOU, not God. And you're listening TO THEM, not making any melodies of your own to the Lord. In effect, God is abandoned. Music may cause emotion, and for people to flood an alter, but the only eternal changes MUST take place through the foolishness of Gospel preaching! There's NO such thing as a musical evangelist who only presents the Gospel through music. Music is NOT preaching! Peter did not sing the Gospel at Pentecost, he PREACHED!!!
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The Demonic Bloodthirsty Origins of Hip Hop

We read in Romans 8:5, "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." Hip Hop is of the flesh. PROOF of this is the fact that carnal young people today won't come to church without it. So at what point do these carnal teens... after allegedly coming to church and finding Christ... at what point do they abandon their fleshly Hip Hop music? They don't! There are people today, many, who think it is better to allow homosexuals to openly express their vile affections in church one toward another, than for them not to come to church at all. This is sin folks. The Apostle Paul rebuked the church at Corinth for openly allowing fornication within the church, i.e., everyone knew what what happening, but the pastor wasn't preaching against that particular sin in the church. Hip Hop is of the Devil, evidenced by the crime infested ghettos of New York where it originated. This fact is incontrovertible. Hip Hop is the music of street punks. Christian Hip Hop is riding piggyback on Gangsta Rap. It is fleshly and of the sinful world.
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Romans 8:5 plainly states... they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh. Only an ignorant or dishonest person would claim that Hip Hop didn't ooze from the gutter's of gangland. Why are churches today following the sinful culture of the world, instead of the Bible? Hip Hop DIDN'T originate from the Word of God, or from the church. The truth is that African-Americans have fallen so much in love with the Devil's music that they want it in their churches. Every Black pastor in America ought to ban Christian Hip Hop in the church! Don't bring the Devil's music into the church! Hip Hop can go back to perdition where it came from!!! And there ain't no such thing as "Holy Hip Hop" anymore than there's "Holy pornography."
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1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
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Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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2 Corinthians 10:4-5
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

Casting down imaginations, and VERY HIGH THING that EXALTS itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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Proverbs 21:4
A HIGH LOOK, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.
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Proverbs 30:13
There is a kind-- oh how LOFTY are his EYES! And his EYELIDS are RAISED IN ARROGANCE.
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Psalm 101:5
Whoever secretly slanders his neighbor, him I will destroy; No one who has a HAUGHTY LOOK and an ARROGANT heart will I endure.
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Psalm 18:27 For You save an afflicted people, But HAUGHTY EYES You abase.
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Proverbs 6:17
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him
A PROUD LOOK, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
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Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, GENTLENESS, goodness, faith,

MEEKNESS, temperance: against such there is no law.

1 Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devil
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Proverbs 21:3
To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
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1 Samuel 15:19-22
Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD, but did fly on the spoil, and did evil in the sight of the LORD?

And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.

But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.

And Samuel said, Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

ps. These are just the few verses that popped into my head. There are TONS MORE!

The catch is...only the Spirit can reveal these things to us.

Context, context, context. Forgetting the issue for just a moment, make sure those Scripts are understood in the context of whom they were written to.

As in the other thread, the history of music has been filled with folks saying back and forth that various types of music are and are not of God. I will again refer to conventional history, if its something that the church took and "made holy," then make the judgement on that. If not, then make the judgement on that.

Specifically, the things quoted come from the ministry of Crag Lews and others before him. The same was said of accepted hymns such as Amazing Grace and others before they were accepted.

Culture in an of itself is the product of a sinful people. If you want to call the culture evil, then start with the root which is the people. If people are redeemed, can they make music that isn't?

Lastly, a statement like:

The catch is...only the Spirit can reveal these things to us
was commonly used with gnostic Christians in the early church to support their aims. Because of some "interesting" schools of thought in secular and Judaic learning, this statement was not only normal to hear, but accepted as the way things are until you are told the secrets. There is nothing secret that God will not reveal, and nothing natural that he will not unveil to those who are spiritual. The key is not forcing a point, but making sure the Scripts speak clearly on the issue before infering something different.

In the case of ALL music, the only music that was condemed was that of music which was sung to Baal. This music which WAS appropriated into the Judaic services was turned holy (folks debate good or bad on their own merits) and made an official office by the time of David's kingship.

By the time of Constantine II's rule, it was a common thing for churches to create music, based on the psalms and other Scripts, that was done in the sound that the people of the region were familiar with.

Context, context, context.

yeah the context thing is exactly what i was thinking

he took everything in a way it wasn't meant at all

..wow man.

g,

do you have the specific youtube URL for this video comment thread?

gsly

yeah...

it's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6HX6dG2 ... re=related

unfortunately, there's also some series on there called "exposing HHH" or somethin like that that tries to claim there's no way Christian rap is of God.

G

i don't even bother debating those ppl

lj.

lj.

same here. i never commented the dude back

G

these ppl are strange to me...why would you rebuke something without knowing all the facts?!? troubling. ???

gsly